Goten vs K.O
“When I approach a child, he inspires in me two sentiments — tenderness for what he is and respect for what he may become.”
-Louis Pasteur
Son Goten, Goku's youngest son and West City Saiyaman X-2 of Dragon Ball
Kaio Kincaid, son of Carol Kincaid and Lakewood Plaza number 1 Brushead of Ok K.O
Children are life greatest imitators, so it's important that they grow up imitating someone great, cause when they do, it inspire's them to become just as great as the people whom they admire. They can become a force for good, however, they have a lot of growing up to do, which can sometimes lead them into dangerous situations.
These two adorable inspired child hero's are no exception to the rule, and while their eagerness can lead them into trouble, their willingness to accept help from friends and those more experienced, alongside their own great power will get them through any enemy that comes their way, but only one can come out on top. It's time to find out which hero has the power to win in a DEATH BATTLE!
Before we get started....
This one will be pretty simple, for Goten will be sticking with the Dragon Ball Z manga and anime, alongside Super's anime and manga for feats. For K.O, we'll only pull from feats from the show, and their's more to be said about canon in OK K.O, but we'll save that for later. Also shoutout to the vsbw Ok K.O team for the research into feats and abilities for K.O.
Background
Son Goten
The Cell Games, a tournament against the monstrous bio-android Cell, for the sake of the world had come to an end. Son Gohan, would rise to the occasion to defeat this great evil, but not without sacrifice. His father, The Legendary Hero, Son Goku, would die giving his life to save the world. However, a part of himself would live on, not just in his young son Gohan, but in a soon to be born son, a boy named...Son Goten. Young Goten was born as the very spitting image of his father, not just in appearance but also in his personality. A happy go lucky kid with the same naivety and purity that his father once held. Like his father before him, Goten was extremely gifted and powerful, at the young age of seven, Goten would become the youngest Saiyan to become a Super Saiyan. Eventually, Goku would be granted 24 hours to be on Earth, and Goten would meet his father for the first time immediately hitting it off and becoming close. Alongside his best friend Trunks, Goten would participate in a martial arts tournament and help in the battle against Majin Buu.
Goten would continue to further in his studies and training, going to high school, becoming a superhero alongside Trunks, helping in the fight against Cell Max, and even training on Lord Beerus planet, while still keeping his up beat personality, he really is his father's son, though a lot smarter. Goten still has some growing to do, but this Super Saiyan has the potential to go even father beyond.
Kaio Kincaid
The year is 201x, a retro futuristic world inhabited by many powrful and quirky characters, and in this future world the age of hero's is thriving, especially in the city of Maryland, which houses the famed Lakewood Plaza Turbo, a hero supply shop owned by the legendary hero, Mr Gar. Just across the street is home to the Boxmore, lead by the maniacal scientist, Lord Boxman, who sends his robot children to attack the Plaza pretty much everyday. Thankfully, The Plaza is protected by three young hero's, Gar's employee's. There's Enid, the cool ninja teen who secretly struggles with her identity, Radicles, the muscle bound jock who acts super tough but has soft side that he's afraid to show, and last but certainly not least, Lakewood Plaza number one adorably head strong brush head, Kaio Kincaid! Better known as K.O. K.O is the son of resident Fitness Trainer, Carol Kincaid who was once a part of a superhero team alongside Gar, P.O.I.N.T. There Carol fell in love with the hero Laserblast, however in a mission to destroy enemy research Laser was lost. P.O.I.N.T would never be the same. However, Laserblast legacy would live on as Carol would give birth to their son K.O.
K.O was a happy little kid, with dreams to become a hero, and he would start his journey as being an employee at Gars Bodega. During his time, K.O upbeat attitude and lovable personality would inspire change in the lives of his fellow friends and cowokers, like inspiring Rad to be open with his flaws and love for "soft things" like cats, Enid to not be afraid of her identity, even helping Mr. Gar overcome his fears and shame of his past at P.O.I.N.T, becoming friends and even eventually marrying K.O's mom becoming his Step Father. And in turn, when K.O was struggling with his own identity due to his darker half, T.K.O and who he was, especially when finding out his father survived and became a big named villain, his friends helped pull him from his own darkness, and K.O accepted that he and T.K.O were one, becoming M.K.O. K.O had a lot of growing up to do, but he found a way to make the best of every situation handed to him, and he achieved what he always wanted to be, a Hero!
Equipment
Goten
Flying Nimbus
Like the other rings, the Heart Ring will not activate if: Captain Planet has been summoned, the ring has come in contact with pollution, or the pollution level in the area is high.
It can not communicate with other ring holders if that holder is unconscious or if an Eco-Villain is in the presence of that holder. It has no effect on inanimate objects, artificial animals, organisms with no heart, organisms not native to Earth, or extremely evil humans such as the Eco-Villains. It also will not tame extremely frightened or agitated animals.
K.O. uses the power of Heart to bring everyone back to their senses.
Invisi-Juice
Merged K.O or M.K.O is K.O final state, and his current form that came from K.O and T.K.O realizing that they are one and the same, becoming one whole person.
Abilities
Goten
Flight
Through manipulating Ki, Goten can fly like a birdie, took awhile for him to learn this but once he got it down he became a natural.
Ki Blast
The most basic form of energy wave.
Ki Sense
An ability that allows the user to sense ki and power levels.
Stone Bullet
The user throws a rock that can only be used in point-blank range.
Kamehameha
A powerful Ki blast fired with two hands after concentrating a large amount of Ki.
Super Kamehameha
- Assault! – First, Goten charges at the opponent and punches them away. Then, he flies up into the air and charges down at the opponent head-first at top speed. When the opponent dodges, Goten blasts the ground with an energy sphere to propel himself towards the opponent's direction to knock them away with a headbutt, using his falling speed to inflict severe damage.
- Full Power Energy Blast Volley – The user fires flurries of large, bright Ki Blasts that is more powerful than the average energy volley. It is useful for quick, effective, as well as causing massive accumulations of damage to the foes. The difference with the Full Power Energy Barrage Wave is that the user does not move his hands while firing it. The waves themselves just chase the opponent.
- High Tension Turn - The user performs a backflip then suddenly charges forward to deliver a charging punch.
- Taunt - A user performing some form of gesture, remark, or insult to annoy or enrage their opponent and throw off their thinking.
- Fighting Pose - Poses used while as Saiyaman X-2.
- Cyclone Style! Tornado Hurricane - The user spins their arm around with great speed to create a small twister around their wrist. They then punch their opponent in the face with the twister, creating a tornado and sending them and anyone close to them flying.
- Cyclone Style! Tornado Double Hurricane - A team attack used by Trunks and Goten as Super Saiyans.
- Cyclone Style! Tornado Super Hurricane - A team attack used by Goten, Trunks, Gamma 1, and Gamma 2.
- Tri-Beam - The user forms a vaguely diamond-shape "tunnel" with the hand's by keeping the fingers on each hand together, overlapping the index finger on the one hand with the pinky of the other hand, and overlapping the thumbs. The object being focused on gets zoomed in on and visualized inside that diamond, then he shouts "Tri-Beam, ha!" while releasing the large yellow beam from the hands.
- Steam Cleaner High Pressure - The user forms a tornado like energy sphere in their hands before firing it into a wave of energy.
- Down-Cycle Kick - A downward kick used by Goten as Saiyaman X-2.
- Super Goten Strike – To perform the attack, Goten raises his hands in the air and charges white-colored energy on them. Then, he releases the energy in a form of a giant, white energy sphere and hurls it towards his enemy, inflicting a huge amount of damage.
- Super Explosive Wave – The user stands charging energy around their body, then they explode with a gigantic energy sphere around their body. If the foe comes in contact with the Super Explosive Wave, it will deal much greater damage than the normal Explosive Wave. It can also be used for defense and offense at the very same time. The larger the user or the more ki they have, the wider and more enhanced it will become.
- Unnamed combo attack with Gohan - Gohan and Goten circle around their opponent at rapid speeds, creating a wall of red to trap them, they then bombarde their opponent with sharp energy blasts, who will have difficulty hitting them back to them becoming undetectable. Used against Vegeta in Dragon Ball GT whilst they were under the control of Baby and a Tuffle parasite.
- Twin Galactic Kick – A combined downward kick used in conjunction with Trunks.
- Persuasion - A user of persuasion is incredibly persuasive and are able to bring anyone to understand and feel for their viewpoint and can convince others of virtually anything.
- Power Knee – Flies forward and smacks the opponent with his knee and if successful, he will follow up with a high kick. Used in Dragon Ball Z: Super Butōden 3.
- Rolling Thunder Punch – Goten twirls his arm around for a second, then does a big uppercut. Used in Super Butōden 3, where it is called Super Uppercut.
- Response Rush – His Meteor Attack in Super Butōden 3. Goten grabs his opponent and throws them in the air, then he punches and kicks them, punches them and then knocks them down to the ground with a headbutt.
- Jumping Spark – A turn around kick used in the Butōden series.
- Flying Power Kick – An ascending kick used in the Butōden series.
- Hurricane Sweep – A dashing slide kick used in the Butōden series.
- Kiai – A fast invisible fireball fired from both hands. Used in the Butōden series.
- Meteo Ki Crash – Goten's meteor attack in Ultimate Battle 22.
- Zanku Fist – A rush attack used in the Budokai series.
- Jackhammer – Goten grabs and kicks his opponent up in the air. Used in the Budokai series.
- Sleep – One of Goten's Blast 1 in the Budokai Tenkaichi series.
- Afterimage – One of Goten's Blast 1 in the Budokai Tenkaichi series.
- Wild Sense – One of Super Saiyan Goten's Blast 1 in the Budokai Tenkaichi series.
- False Courage – One of Super Saiyan Goten's Blast 1 in the Budokai Tenkaichi series.
- High Speed Rush – One of Goten's Blast 2 in Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi.
- Charge! - Goten's signature attack in the Raging Blast series.
- Kikoukenjutsu Sword Style – Used in Dragon Ball Online.
- Consecutive Energy Blast - Used by Goten in Dragon Ball Xenoverse.
- Full Power Energy Blast Volley - Used by Goten in Xenoverse.
- Full Power Charge - Used by Goten in Xenoverse.
- Rock, Scissors 'N' Paper - One of Goten's attacks in Dragon Ball Fusions.
The President Of The Universe imbued the world with the power of Glorbs, a powerful energy as he describes, it why everyone has powers and cartoon physics, and K.O has absorbed a lot of Glorbs as T.K.O. He can do things like:
- Regenerate from a puddle, morph his body into the shape of a ball, extend his eyes like binoculars, and increase the size of his hands
- Transformation: He turned himself into a water bottle
- Cloth Manipulation: He can change the clothes of others
- Shapeshifting, Size Manipulation, and Elemental Intangibility: He is able to shapeshift into a toothbrush, sweat, and deodorant
- Teleportation and BFR: He teleported himself and Barista Pup into outer space. He can also use toon force to teleport
- Illusion Creation: He can make images in the form of bubbles
Other abilities:
- Accelerated Development: Leveling Physical Statistics and Abilities; In the OK K.O. Universe, engaging in battles allows you to gain EXP, which can be gauged on one's Pow Card, showing you how close you are to "leveling up", which grants you new abilities and improves your stats. When fighting in the tournament, everyone, whose hero levels were reset, started getting stronger and advancing levels just by winning fights. T.K.O., Rad, and Enid even ended up becoming stronger than they were initially.
- Enhanced Senses: He has shown the capability to dodge attacks without looking. He can pick up sounds from far away.
- Sound Manipulation: He can yell so loud, he can make soundwaves that are able to stun Enid and knock down Mr. Gar
- Energy Manipulation: He can use his style to create an energy field, though it isn't as powerful as others. Perfect K.O.'s energy was enough to create a shield that blocked a power nulling beam and reflected it back at it's attacker.
- Attack Reflection/Power Absorption: He was able to turn Enid's attack against her and modify it to his liking
- Became the youngest Saiyan to achieve the form of Super Saiyan
- Held his own against Trunks in The Junior Division and almost won
- Helped in the battles against Buu, Beerus, and Cell Max
- He and Trunks fought off Cell Jrs.
- Succeed his brother in becoming a superhero named Saiyaman and defends Hercule City
- Helped in the battle against Cell Max and even hurt him, note Goten never went Super (Movie version)
- Fought off and defeated many of Dr Hedo Androids
- According to The Legendary Manga, during the Buu Saga, Goten is stronger than Frieza was
- Alongside Trunks fought against Super Saiyan Gohan and participated in an all out spar between himself, Trunks, Gohan, Goku, Vegeta, and Broly
- Takes a surprise punch from SSJ2 Vegeta (though it knocks him out)
- Defeated multiple villains including Boxman, Shadowy Venomous, and Boxman Jr.
- Became a valued member of Gars Bodega
- Accepted himself fully finally becoming whole
- Became the strongest hero on the planet
- Helped all his friends and family overcome their own issues
- Enid and K.O. were able to perceive the Planet while it moved back into orbit (12,550.349 times FTL Massively FTL)
- Could keep up with Sonic for awhile and as Metal K.O kept up with him pretty well, K.O post this should upscale from this feat especially as an adult
- Cell Max was said to be as strong as Goku and Vegeta (Goten heavily downscales as while he helped fight Cell Max, even helped hurt him, Goten is not as strong)
- Enid tanks a crystal meteorite (City Block LVL)
- Rad unleashes big boom (1850.284 tons of TNT)
- Rad cracks a planet with a handshake (Low 6-B)
- Cosma blows a hole in the Moon (Large Mountain)
- Awww the father and daughter are bonding (Multi-Continental)
- Cosma eats a planet (Large Planet)
- Cosma launches a missile at the moon (800,833,333 m/s or FTL )
- Rad and Enid avoid lasers (549,031,326 m/s (1.83c); FTL)
- Garnet alongside the gems could keep up with a robot who could jump between galaxies (7-86 billion FTL)
- Sonic and Metal Sonic destroyed an enormous stalactite (200 Kilotons TNT)
- Sonic alongside Shadow beat Ultimate Emerl who absorbed energy from The Final Egg Buster, which was capable of destroying an entire cluster of stars (Multi Solar System)
- Fought Dark Gaia in base form, who broke open the planet and at the time was far more stronger (7.2 yottatons of TNT)
(Sprite art by SonicTDFW)
My first time writing a verdict for a blog and I want to thank SonallyKingKataang for having me on board. So, now let us look at the match-up:
In regards of skill and abilities K.O. seems to have the upper hand. While Goten can use KI in a variety of ways, K.O. simply has more abilities. Like his Disempower Dome/Blast, which is a good counter against Goten’s Super Saiyan form, since it either nullifies Goten’s power or force him to return into his base form. Or the Invisi-Juice, which turns him invisible.
Yet, Goten seems to hold a counter against nearly all of these advantages. For example, his Stone Bullet should be more than capable enough to deal with the Disempower Dome, since the stone itself isn’t empowered. Or how he can use his Ki-Sense to find K.O. should he use the Inivisi-Juice.
Which leaves K.O. with one other field of abilities that need to be checked: His toon force.
Unlike characters like Bugs Bunny, the toon-force of Kaio is rather tame. Hammer space, fourth wall interaction and transformation. As far as I see it, the basics wouldn’t really help him much here.
But there are still two skills in this category that are very important:
1. Regeneration: Kaio has regenerated from being a puddle before. As such, Goten will have to work hard, to put him down. It is possible that K.O. can walk off any stray hit that he takes, which will make a drawn-out fight dangerous for Goten. The only way around this ability seems to be a complete disintegration. Which Goten might pull of via a direct hit with a Kamehameha, but then he also needs enough strength and speed to perform such a task. More about the stats later.
2. Teleportation: This one is very dangerous. If K.O. teleports Goten into space, then the young son of Son Goku is pretty much done for. It has been established that Saiyan’s can’t breathe in space. And with no access to Instant Transmission, all K.O. needs to do is teleport either Goten alone or both Goten and himself into a place with no planets around and let his opponent suffocate to death, since unlike Goten, Kaio can breathe in space just fine. And since K.O. only snapped his fingers to teleport and didn’t touch Barista Pup in any way, there doesn’t seem any way for Goten to defend against this. Which would lead to the question: Can K.O. survive long enough to try this trick?
And yeah, this brings me to the last sector of my review: the stat trinity. Can Kaio keep the lead he got from the ability section?
Unfortunately for him: No.
And even worse: The stat difference is massive.
Strength wise, the highest possible attack potency that K.O. can get without scaling to other series via crossover scaling is the lower end of solar system level with a high end of 136 x 10^30 tons of TNT power output for splitting the sun. Son Goten on the other hand should at least scale to Cell’s solar system level Kamehameha, which has been calced on VS Battle wiki to an estimate power output of 849 x 10^33 tons of TNT. Meaning that Goten is at least 6000 times stronger than K.O. as a low end. Since he has kept up with later foes like Cell Max (I really like to bring up Cell), who himself kept up with fighters like Piccolo and Son Gohan, Goten definitely scales even higher.
Speed-wise it is a similar situation. Scaling wise without scaling to other series, K.O. caps at 2x FTL with a perception time of 12x FTL. Son Goten on the other hand would downscale from his father in Super. And you all know the infamous shockwave calc. This shockwave reaches speed up to 118x10^21 FTL, meaning that even if we assume that Son Goten is thousands of times weaker than Goku, he would still out-speed Kaio.
If we only look at their own respective series, then the outcome would be clear now. While K.O. has a wider array of abilities and a potential winning condition via teleportation, Son Goten simply blitzes and one-shots him, the difference in power simply being to overwhelming for anything in Kaio’s arsenal to really matter.
Which leads to the final question: What about crossover scaling? Does this save Kaio?
Speed wise it might close the gap to some extent, since Kaio would scale to a speed feat that reaches 5.8 x 10^12 times FTL. Yet, it still pales compared to the shockwave feat.
And strength wise: Again, not really. Since the episode “Crossover Nexus” only features Reboot Ben 10, it shouldn’t be possible to scale Kaio to anything that happens in the original series. Which also means, that I won’t scale him to Alien X recreating the universe. And from what I could gather from the other shows that appear in this episode, I couldn’t find any feat that could bring Kaio up to the level of Goten. And while comic book Raven would turn the battle into Kaio’s favour, I don’t think we can scale her Teen Titans incarnation to her comic book self. Meaning that high end DC scaling is out for me.
So, what about Sonic-scaling then?
Here is my problem with this scaling: while it has been stated that the crossover with Sonic is canon, I wouldn’t scale Kaio to Archie Sonic in any way. While Archie Sonic has the feats to bring Kaio to victory, the power difference between the two verses is simply way too large to scale him to Sonic’s high-end feats without putting the events of K.O. series into question. As such, I can’t scale K.O. to Sonic with a good conscience.
And now we are finally at the end: Kaio put of a fight and his abilities might have caught Son Gohan off guard, but against the overwhelming might and the massive speed advantage of the young half-Saiyan it simply wasn’t enough.
My vote goes to Son Goten.
Supermonye
Hello there! Ivan*kirbo here! Today, we have an interesting matchup! Goten from Dragon Ball vs K.O from OK K.O Let's Be Heroes! While I do prefer Kid (from Kid Cosmic, a show I highly recommend you to watch) for K.O, partially due to bias and it being my sixth most wanted of all time, I will gladly debate for this matchup! Here are my thoughts!
Strength and durability:
This one's a doozy. Let's get one thing out of the way. I DO NOT BUY K.O SCALING TO SONIC, LET ALONE ARCHIE SONIC. Sure, the Sonic K.O met clearly seems to recall adventures from the past like the classics, Mario and Sonic at the Olympics, and the Adventure games, but that only means so much. There is an infinite Sonic multiverse with infinite possibilities. Who knows if this Sonic is just another alternate variation! The fact that he experienced all those different events, some of them being non-canon, future adds to this. With that out of the way, I do believe he scales to some of the cartoon characters he met in the nexus crossover. I don't buy him scaling to characters like Ben 10 or Raven, but characters like Garnet I definitely buy him scaling to, seeing as she was in the finale of the show. Seeing as Garnet could survive a planet sized Black Hole, this should make K.O planet-star level. You may be asking, "what about the time K.O sliced the Sun?" Well, there are two things making me find this feat a bit iffy. Number 1: K.O had to absorb a huge amount of glorb energy to accomplish this. The entire Earth's Glorb energy! Something he wouldn't really do in a fight. And number 2: The president of the universe reset everything at the end of the episode, meaning K.O can't really get this power boost again. So after all of this, I buy planet-star level K.O! As for Goten, he has a much trickier level of power to find. He's able to compete with huge heavy hitters like Beast Gohan! But that was only when he was with Trunks or had combined into Gotenks, both requiring outside help... But we do know at least that Goten can scale to base Goku, seeing as he could injure Cell Max without going super! Cell Max was stated to be even stronger than Goku or Vegeta! I do not believe base Gohan is the same strength as Ultra Instinct Goku, but scaling him to base Goku is fair enough. With that said, Goku by the end of super, is as strong as the multiversal feat he did in the battle of the gods movie. This makes Goten at least multiversal, due to scaling to base Goku. Couple that with his super saiyan transformation, and I do believe that Goten is multiversal! This is also backed up with Goten now being stronger than Super Buu, who was called a threat to the entire dragon ball universe numerous times! Now, time to compare! Let's see... Planet-star level vs multiversal level... Yeah, I buy Goten taking this one fairly easily. And since both can take their own attacks and deal with people stronger than them, their durability should be the same case. So imo, Goten clears this round! Though it could have been very different if I bought the scaling to people like Sonic or Ben 10. Moving on to the next round!
Speed:
Speed is a pretty similar case to strength. K.O can scale to Enid in speed, who could pilot a motorcycle to another nebula in about a minute! A feat that is roughly a million times faster than light! And K.O can scale to Garnet in speeds, who can move up to 86 billion times faster than light! Couple that with his ability to slow down his perception of time, and K.O is extremely fast! But Goten just has better. Goten can scale to his father in base who has shown numerous infinite-immeasurable speed feats. Like moving in the instant teleportation dimension! Unless you scale K.O to Sonic, K.O has nothing able to keep up with this! Goten takes this!
Hax and abilities:
I know I've been kinda harsh to K.O for the last two rounds, but he makes up for it with this round. Goten has a lot of good techniques to use, whether it be ki blasts or rapid fire attacks. K.O however has a lot more variety and usefulness in his abilities and hax. Like his protective barrier that can nullify other's powers or his ability to step beyond the fourth wall. K.O takes abilities pretty solidly.
Experience, skill, and IQ:
Time for the final round! Let's not waste time! In terms of experience, skill, and IQ, they both have been trained under amazing fighters and have been constantly improving. Both have also thought of useful strategies while fighting and Goten in particular is doing well in school. I however gotta give these to K.O, having trained for longer and wanting to improve, unlike Goten who hasn't really trained that often and doesn't strive to constantly improve his skills, like his father. And K.O has thought of battle strategies way more often. Goten mainly just rushes in and fights. K.O wins this one.
Results:
And there you have it! While K.O does take a lot more categories, namely hax, abilities, IQ, e.t.c, Goten is just way too fast and way too strong for K.O to keep up with. But those are just my thoughts! Thank you for letting me do this Sonally and I hope you enjoyed reading my part!
Samfry
Hey everyone! Samfry here. I got a new look just in time for summer to come around and we have a good matchup to discuss today. Goten from Dragon Ball vs K.O from OK K.O Let's Be Heroes. Now to give my thoughts on who I think wins and why.
Strength, Durability, and Raw Power:
This one's tricky. Let's get one thing out of the way. Like with Ivan, I really don’t buy K.O. scaling to characters like Ben, Raven, and especially not Sonic. That Sonic remembering things that could be deemed as not canon really doesn’t back up this being the actual main Sonic or at least not one you could reasonably scale K.O. to.
But characters like Garnet I definitely buy him scaling to given she was in the actual finale of the show. Garnet being able to survive a planet sized black hole should clearly make K.O planet-star level. The Sun feat could be fine to use if not for the fact that he didn’t do it on his own and it was essentially a one time thing.
As for Goten, he has a much trickier level of power to find. Goten typically hasn’t done much fighting against super powerful opponents without some form of help, mainly Trunks to fuse into Gotenks. However, this doesn’t mean Goten is completely helpless as I think base Goten in the Buu Saga should already be around the same level of power as Namek Saga characters at the very least. This makes Goten at least planet to star level via powerscaling. This is further backed up with current Goten now actually being stronger than base Super Buu, the same Super Buu he and Trunks initially had to fuse into Gotenks and go SSJ3 just to be able to harm and also a Buu stronger than Good Buu, who himself clearly upscales from Cell.
So that’s planet-star level at most vs the same level at the very least... Yeah, Goten takes this one pretty easily.
Speed:
Speed is a pretty similar case to strength. Like Ivan said, K.O can scale to Enid in speed, who could pilot a motorcycle to another nebula in about a minute, a feat that gets up to roughly a million times faster than light. I do think K.O can scale to Garnet in speeds, who can move up to several billion times faster than light. This makes K.O. pretty damn fast.
Unfortunately, Goten simply has better. I definitely don’t buy anyone from canon DB getting to infinite, much less immeasurable, speeds, but the fact Goten could keep up with people like Kid Trunks, and (later on) post TOP base Gohan, Piccolo, and 18 while fighting Cell Max, he should naturally be much much faster. So that’s another point for Goten.
Hax and abilities:
In terms of hax, K.O. solidly takes this one if only cause he actually has hax. As for abilities, I think it’s a tie as K.O. seems to have more abilities while Goten seems to have better ones. However, Goten seems to be able to counter most of K.O.’s abilities.
But one ability of K.O.’s that I don’t see Goten being able to easily deal with is Toon Force. Toon Force allows its users to do just about anything they want so long as it’s deemed funny. The problem, however, is that K.O.’s level of it isn’t balls to the walls cosmic god levels like that of, say, Bugs Bunny (“Eh, what’s up, doc?”), Popeye (“I eats me spinach!”), or Mickey Mouse (“Meeska Mooska Mickey Mouse!”). It’s powerful in its own right for him, but not to the point of being considered godlike. It also doesn’t keep Goten from still outclassing K.O. in terms of stats.
Experience, skill, and IQ:
In terms of these 3 categories, I see K.O. taking them more than I do Goten. He’s actually trained for longer and genuinely wants to improve, unlike Goten who hasn't really trained that often and doesn't strive to constantly improve his skills like his father does. And K.O is much more of a combat strategist than Goten is, whose only real strategy is to basically just rush in headfirst.
Results:
While K.O. isn’t completely outclassed, Goten is simply far too fast and powerful for him to keep up with. Add in the fact that Goten can pretty much deal with almost all of K.O.’s abilities in some way and I don’t see Goten losing this one.
An Average Person
Ok so, this one was a tough one. For strength. I'm gonna have to go with Goten. While yes it IS true that K.O scales to base Sonic's strength, which is VERY impressive. that is still just an assumption, because we don't exactly see K.O fighting Sonic at his best. Even if we are generous and say he does scale to base Sonic, For Goten however, he scales to characters like Frieza, who in base form destroyed Planet Vegeta. Which should be much more stronger than anything K.O could do. For speed, this ones gonna be pretty even. For this one i'm gonna be generous and say that K.O is as fast as base form Sonic, as we HAVE seen him go toe to toe with Sonic in that regard. even if he was very tired, it still was a good enough effort to see him pull that off. Now- while K.O does have very good speed if he's scaling to base Sonic, it just- pales sadly in comparison to Gotens speed feats. Goten can scale to his father. Who has the one and only feat you all know as... *SAY IT WITH ME NOW!* BEERUS PUNCHCLASH SHOCKWAVE!!!
- Takes stats no matter how you slice it
- Arguably more experienced
- Much smarter
- Better Training
- GT Goten
- Less variety in abilities
- No answer to K.O teleporting him into space
- Depowerment Dome will affect him
- Arguably less experienced
- Only recently got to do shit
- Arguably more experienced
- More variety in terms of abilities
- Teleportation and Depowerment gg
- Better character overall lets be for real
- Loses stat trinity
- Inferior training
- Less intelligent
- Arguably less experienced
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